8 lies that many Christians believe

Growing up as a Christian my whole life I have been really blessed. However one of the downsides of growing up in the church is definitely the amount of weird things I picked up as core beliefs over the years. Some of these were taught explicitly to me others were just communicated through actions (or lack of actions). However it was they got there I’m just glad that God is renewing my mind and slowly setting me free from them.

My prayer as you read this list is that you can read them with humility and remain open and teachable, knowing that none of us have it all down perfectly. Ask God if there is something He wants to reveal to you through this article. If He highlights something, or you find something especially offensive you can find further reading via the links at the end of each section which will allow you to delve into the topic a bit more in-depth.

So without any further ado here are 8 lies that many Christians believe.

Lie #1: I am a sinner

God in no way sees you as one and actually your ability to walk a life of purity and righteousness will be determined on the degree you believe you are not a sinner but are in fact righteous. When Jesus died on the cross the old sinful nature died with Him and you were raised up righteous, spotless, perfect! You have been made perfect in Him.

Do not let ANYONE no matter what their credentials void the word of God. You are a new creation, the righteousness of Christ.

For more on this see my article “Romans 7: Did Paul struggle with a sinful nature?”

Lie #2: I must work on my sins and become more holy

I know what you are thinking, what’s so wrong about that. That sounds like the definition of spiritual maturity. It’s not.

Think about it, how exactly do you plan to get more holy? I mean, holiness by definition is to be set-apart, unique and perfect. So how do you grow in that? By very definition holiness is an either/or position. You either are holy or you are not holy.

I mean if you are 40% holy just now and you are hoping to get to 75% by the end of the year… what will that make you? That’s right, you’ll still be unholy.

In fact by this way of looking at holy we can never be anything but unholy! Even in 20 billion years we will still be 99.9999999999999999% holy.

You see God is not defined as holy because of what He does. He is defined as holy because of who He is.

It is the same for you. You are not holy depending on how well you do today, you are Holy today because He has made you holy by nature. As you believe in this and renew your mind to it you will start to bear the fruit of it.

For more on this see my devotional “The Christian life is not about becoming more holy” or check out the identity video series on The Grace Course.

Lie #3: Money is evil

We typically freak out in the church when it comes to money. Here’s the deal. Money is not evil and it’s OK to want some! While Jesus talked about money often it’s important to note that He never said to have it was bad, in fact the promises in scripture for financial blessing are so numerous I can’t even begin to list them.

Jesus’ problem was never with money but rather with our own desire for money above anything else. It’s even OK to want to have money, just so long as that does not become a priority that overrides enjoying Jesus and walking in His Spirit.

So we must understand that money is not evil loving to the point you lose sight of Jesus is.

Here is a short devotional “Money doesn’t create fools, it reveals them”.

Lie #4: God wants people sick so He can teach them a lesson

Don’t ever let someone convince you that you are sick because God wants to teach you a lesson. God has never desired for you to be sick.

Lets face it, what lesson was so important to learn that the 8yrs old boy needed to die of cancer. Or to cause the family never have their mother because she is in bed day and night? And is God so incapable of teaching this lesson to you through a method while you are well that He had to make you sick?

Now hear me out here, I am not saying you will not grow through your sickness. Will you learn things through your sickness? Absolutely, God will always take the worst hand life will deal you and turn it around for good. He loves to see us grow in spite of the bad things that happen in our lives.

In fact, what I’ve actually seen many times is that God is so good at turning things around for good that people often blame Him for the bad He had to turn around. God is the author of good, not bad!

The next lie I look at is regarding God’s sovereignty and might help you work through this point.

See here for more on Good vs Bad.

Lie #5: God controls every single thing that happens in life

This is a really important thing people misunderstand, I’ve kind of implied this in the prior point. God is not the author of every situation. We are the ones in control of our own lives, God is sovereign but that doesn’t mean that He is control of every little thing. He has delegated that control to us and our inability (or ability) to use that delegated authority has very far-reaching implications.

We cannot just sit back passively and watch the world fall to pieces and our lives crumble and just say “well that must be the will of God”.

How can I be so bold to say that God’s will does not always happen? Let me ask you a simple question. Does God want you to sin?

No. So how on Earth is it that we all manage to sin so frequently? God has given us free-will.

Please note: Nothing we do or say ultimately can override God’s ultimate plans and purposes for humanity but He has given us individual freedom and a free-will, much like an adult would give a child free-will within a playground to do whatever they want. The illusion of free-will is there, but ultimately we can’t leave the playground to play on the highway. In the same way we can do whatever we want in life and there will be real consequences of those choices but God is sitting back ensuring that all things turn to good for our lives as those who believe in Him.

For more on this topic check out my article “Some thoughts on suffering”

Lie #6: Christians need to try and keep the law

This is a big one, most Christians I have met are extremely confused by this. They seem unsure what to do with the law, it seems that the New Covenant renders the Old Covenant irrelevant for the believer but God gave the Old Covenant and we should still try do the laws, right? Right?

Of course not. But that’s too scary for many Christians to imagine… I mean if we don’t have a rule that says “thou shall not kill”, then all the Christians, righteous by nature and walking in the Spirit would go on killing sprees, right?

I think not. You see the law isn’t what determines our conduct, lets face it we’ve had the law for thousands of years and it didn’t do much to stop us sinning!

Our decision to walk in the Spirit or not is the deciding factor in our walk being one of healthy choices.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 says that “the law is NOT for the righteous but for the unrighteous”

For more on this topic I strongly encourage you to read “What’s the role of the law in the New Covenant?”

I also cover this over 2hrs in depth in this 9 video series on The Grace Course, you can watch it all for free here.

Lie #7: Pastors/Missionaries are more holy!

Growing up in the church I spotted a very common thread. If you were a passionate young believer there was only really one direction you should be going. You should be heading to Bible college or seminary so that you could become a pastor or do some form of missions.

Why? Because this is the most holy calling of God. For the 1% in the body that are actually seriously in love with Him.

This is one of the most perverse ways of thinking that exists in the body of Christ today – That there are some who are holy and more called by God.

The scriptures paint a very different picture. All have been made one with Christ and have the fullness of God residing in them. Everyone is just as anointed as the next person and we all have a wonderful call of God on our lives.

Whether we are a football player, a housewife, a teacher, CEO, janitor or pastor we are all called and have the opportunity to represent Christ and enjoy Him right were we are!

For more on how all are anointed see my friend Dan Heroy’s guest blog “On the anointing” and my devotional “You don’t need a fresh anointing – the old one didn’t go stale.”

Lie #8: You must produce good fruit!

Good fruit is something that God wants to see in your lives, but what might come as a surprise is that you are not the one who should be producing it!

Let’s face the hard facts and look at our love, our patience, our kindness. They might all look OK, and they might even be getting better as time goes on, but they aren’t going to be perfect, ever.

The only perfect fruit comes from the Spirit, this is why Jesus told us to just be branches and abide in Him (the vine) and we would bear much fruit. He wants to do it through us!

I touch on this topic in my article “God does not want YOUR fruit”

There’s also an 11 part video series on identity on The Grace Course if you want to go into more depth.

So there you are – just a few common held lies that hurt many Christians every day.

I really hope that encouraged you and possibly set you free from some beliefs about Christianity that have been holding you in bondage.

What are some of the things you’ve believed for a long time that God has shown you over time aren’t true?

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  1. Well put, Phil. I really enjoyed this article. God has been showing me several of these in the last year, and I have learned a lot from your website. Thanks for pouring out God’s message to His body daily. Your daily posts on Facebook are a real encouragement too! God bless, brother!

    • Thanks so much David! I appreciate the encouragement, glad you liked the article and glad you have learned things from this website :) It brings much joy to my heart to hear that people have been blessed by the website.

      Much love!

  2. Phil,
    Excellent! It’s great to hear a new generation discovering these truths. Christians today are ripe for a gracious, loving adjustment on these issues. If brought the right way, it will open the door for a genuine renewal among believers, and possible outpouring upon the unsaved.

    Thanks, keep up the good work!
    Nick

    • Absolutely the world is ripe for the gospel. Even us that have stubbornly been stuck in our ways for many years are starting to wake up to just how good how God is and starting to discover who we really are in Christ.

      Thanks for sharing and for your encouragement!

  3. Wanted to clear a few things. Rest i kinda agree on them.
    Lie #1: I am a sinner
    If im not a sinner, i dont need a saviour right?? Paul called himself the chief of sinners. He needed that thorn in his flesh (whatever it is in real) to keep him humble n remember God. I know i am a sinner. And i do sin even though i am saved. But being a saved sinner, I know il be forgiven.
    Lie #5: God controls every single thing that happens in life
    If you say God doesnt control everything that happens, then this means to me that God is waiting up in heaven biting his teeth wondering what step we are going to take next. Thats not the reality. Of course, He doesnt make us sin. Thats our free will. But that free will is also limited by God’s will.
    http://www.teachmethebible.info/questions/god/god_in_control.html

    • Hi Liz,

      Lie 1:
      Important distinction… YOU are not a sinner. This article is written about Christians and what they believe about themselves. You will find one instance of Paul calling himself a sinner, which of course is talking about who He was before He was saved, and never any other time, although in just one chapter (Romans 6) he says 18 times that his sinful self no longer exist. Heck, he calls a man who sleeps with his mother-in-law a saint!
      I strongly recommend you read the article I linked to about Paul’s “sinful nature” it will help you greatly understand where I’m coming from :)

      Lie 5:
      That’s exactly what I’m saying… It doesn’t suggest God is worried, if anything the fact that He relinquishes micro-management of our lives says He’s way more secure in His ability to wrap this whole thing up well.
      As I said God is not in control of everything and rather is over everything. Big difference. There are lots of great resources on this I highly recommend you read the article I linked again as this goes into this in much greater detail.

      Thanks for sharing :)

      • I agree with Liz, we are sinners, born sinners, but we have have been saved by the grace of God. Lets not try and minimize it. it is only by Gods wonderful mercy and grace that we have been saved. Give God the glory and the thanks for all He has done for us believers, but we are sinners. It is our natural tendency to sin and when we do our loving Heavenly Father is so loving that He not only forgives us for known confessed sins but also for our unknown sins. What love, what grace, what mercy. And He will do the same when we sin again because we are sinners covered by the precious blood of Christ. Thank you Lord.

        • Hey Judy,

          As I said to Liz you are welcome to disagree with me – however I would encourage you to read the article attached to the link and then show me where I’m misinterpreting scripture. I walk very much in context through a couple of chapters in the Bible in that article as well as citing many other scriptures.

          In fact I am yet to find in my studies of the scriptures any evidence that supports that a born-again believer should EVER consider themselves still to be a sinner. We all recognise that we were one but in my opinion it’s foolish to think that Jesus didn’t change that!

          Thanks for sharing your thoughts though :)

        • Give it up Judy and Liz, Phil is right about “everything” and we are just believing the 8 lies. We can go on quoting scripture after scripture like Jesus did and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us into the Truth Jesus spoke about OR we can take Phil’s reasoning and go with that. Hmmmm what sounds like the wisest move?

          • Like I said Dan – I’m not asking people to rely on my reasoning… I basically list 3 whole chapters in context as well as cite many other scriptures in that article attached.

            I’m not saying people have to agree with me. However if people want to disagree with me I would highly recommend they read what I’m actually saying.

            I don’t have time to repeat myself all day every day, that’s why I linked to that article :)

            Thanks for sharing though. My prayer for us both is that the Holy Spirit continues to lead us into all Truth.

          • Dan, don’t you want knowledgeable Christian teachers and leaders who have considered the obvious objections to their doctrinal beliefs? None of these objections are rocket-science: if Phil didn’t have an answer for them – and hadn’t thought through them before arriving at his conclusion on the truth that the bible is communicating (which is the point of the bible after all – objective truth, not man-generated sentiment) – his articles would not be worth the time of day.

            If we’re all desperate to be considered equally knowledgeable teachers then what is the point of going to school? Or reading a blog? And Phil is not angrily shooting down opposing opinions but is (graciously) offering his views on the matters.

            Thanks for the post Phil – really refreshing to read another view that corresponds to the conclusion I arrived at when I worked through Romans 6 and 7 recently. Can’t say I’m at the place where I can give a hearty “Amen” to every point, but plan to click on the links.

          • Thanks Peter, glad you enjoyed it and even more glad to hear that God has been taking you on a similar journey to a similar conclusion to Romans 6-7 :)

          • Gal 2:17 “But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be!
            Rom 5:19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

            There are plenty more quotes that say I’m the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. Jesus is not the Lord of sinners, but the Righteous. This doesn’t mean we will not sin (verb). But, Jesus moved me from the sinner (noun) status .
            When I stumble my confession is I’m the Righteousness of God in Christ.
            The only lie mentioned is we are Righteous by His work. All our future sins were put in body of Christ on the Cross. Sin the noun was all imputed to Jesus on the Cross.

            There is zero darkness in me. Even when I stumble….no darkness
            Eph 5:8 for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light
            1Th 5:5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;

            This is the confession a believer makes to transfer himself to light by the work of Jesus on Cross. 1 John 1:7

            1Jo 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

            Love ya…. that is our demonstration
            Steve

        • Two years later. Hi!
          You WERE a sinner. That sinner died on the cross. Dead! No longer exists. Saint Judy and Saint Liz were born when Christ rose. You are a saint who sometimes sins. That does not make you a sinner. Just as some good deeds do not make a sinner a saint. This is about who you ARE not about what you DO. Goes back to the garden of Eden. Who will you believe? God or the serpent? Are you what God has made you or what your deeds make you?

          Now as we experience the love of God we are led to change of heart, mind, actions. We forsake sin.

      • Phil, if you could recommend some resources on Lie #5 I’d like to look into them. Here’s my hang-up: conceptually I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time I think it’s dangerous to even begin to toe the line of the question of God’s control. I once heard R.C. Sproul respond to a question about God’s control/sovereignty and Sproul responded that if there was one atom running amok in the universe that God was somehow not aware of then that begins to cast a shadow of doubt on God’s honesty about being the Alpha and Omega.

        I’m not trying to split hairs with this, but I think it’s wiser to encourage all Christians to place their entire lives, and free will, into God’s hands rather than simply trusting God to mind the big things while we, as individuals, mind the small things. Free will is a wonderful privilege when exercised in moderation. I don’t need to belabor the point that moderation can be abused and misused.

        Years ago after reading Bonhoeffer’s Cost of Discipleship it occurred to me that the beatitude about being poor in spirit was something that Bonhoeffer truly embodied. Bonhoeffer had bankrupted himself spiritually by placing his entire life into God’s hands. Bonhoeffer understood that God was in control of every moment of his life and he submitted to that control, even when the Nazi’s marched Bonhoeffer naked to the gallows to be hanged for treason. I’m not denying the privilege of free will, but I stand firmly on the belief that God is in control of every aspect of life and that’s difficult to understand and accept, but I would tie this into one of Christ’s beatitudes in which the pure of heart see God because they know that God ponders the internal just as much as the external. God is not just a friend, but judge. That’s not a popular concept, but it also can’t be denied that God does ponder and judge the heart.

        All things considered, we have to approach God as individuals and I prefer to believe that God is in control of all things, all the time because that pushes me to strive for purity of heart and obedience out of duty, not obligation. I don’t do it because I have to, I do it because I want to and over time this transforms from a practiced habit to a source of joy.

        • Hi Frank,

          For resources I’d recommend you check out Andrew Wommack, he has a lot of good stuff on the sovereignty of God and you can download all his audio messages for free.

          Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts :)

    • Liz, I completely agree with you on re. the issue of sin.

      We should be cautious confusing “righteousness” with sinlessness.
      We are not “perfect” yet, that’s a process that will be completed after we come face to face with our God. To believe we are already ‘there” is laughable…we only have to look honestly at ourselves to know that’s not true. Yes, we are saved, but we are by no means over the struggle with self and sin…that’s an ongoing battle, in which we are daily are faced with the choice to deny the ‘old man’. That’s why we need Christ’s help. Some days we choose well, some days we don’t…meanwhile, we have access to God’s grace.

      As for the point regarding sickness, there is no one-size-fits-all explanation as to why someone gets sick. For some, it’s the unfortunate result of our damaged environment & Death, for others it may be that God is using their experience to test their faith (like Job) and to teach others, and yes, maybe in some (rare) instances sickness is allowed in order to help the individual develop a closer relationship with God and to pare away unhealthy priorities.

      Whatever the situation, it’s a great comfort to know that Jesus intimately understands our suffering, that the Holy Spirit groans with us, and that the Father longs for us. I have severe RA and am in my youth, so have many times asked that question of “why”. Whatever the reason, I can confirm that I’ve experienced His compassion in the midst of this, and am confident I will be given the answer to the “why” one day.

  4. Hi Phil,

    Great post. What are your thoughts re tithing, as that seems to be taught as a ‘requirement’ and has a principle of ’cause and effect’ attached to it. I have moved onto ‘everything to be an offering’ position. The blood is sufficient for any blessing, any restoration in my opinion. What do you think? Love to you and Sarah.

  5. “To say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.” 1 JOHN 1:8

    your first lie is not truth. Sorry to say this is wrong teaching. Also it is said in John 10:10 “The theif has come only to steal, kill and destroy but I have come that they might have life and have it more abundantly.” The part about God not wanting to see your fruit in your life is wrong teaching also. God wants us to live in abundance. But we choose our own path to say he only wants to see the fruit of the spirit working in our lives we deceive ourselves because if we were truly walking in God’s will we would be in abundance as well.

    • Hi Lisa,

      Thanks for sharing, I have to confess I’m not following all your points fully here.

      In regards to your first verse shared – I didn’t say I didn’t have sin. I said that I was not longer a sinner and that my sin was irrelevant to God in Christ. You are however using the passage out of context and can read more about it here – http://phildrysdale.com/2011/11/if-we-say-we-have-no-sin-we-deceive-ourselves/

      As the article suggests, I believe they are lies that many Christians believe. Maybe I’m wrong, or maybe you are. I think we will have to agree to disagree – I think that is our only viable option here. :)

  6. Hi Phil, My mind. Is being renewed as well. I believed all eight of those lies. To believe those things the devil gets the victory. It puts the believer in the same category of the sinner. We can’t down play what jesus did on the cross!!!!. He took all our sin who never sin , and we became the righteousness of christ.. When the father sees us he sees his son who he is well pleased with. We are use to things being so hard is hard to believe all we have to do is believe. Right believing will produce right living. Keep teaching.

    • Great thoughts Denise! I think most Christians have thought these ones at some point or another, i’m just glad He has revealed otherwise to me over time.

      That’s actually why I wrote this, there are just so many people who still hold on to these lies as solid truths so vehemently and it’s creating a downward spiral in the church. Hopefully it’s causing people to challenge their beliefs and think about what they believe for themselves.

  7. Thank you Phil for sharing these great truths! I could not agree with you more on all of these points! God begin revealing his grace and the truth of His gospel to me about 3 years ago and when I find people like yourself preaching the exact same things that He has put in my heart it’s confirmation to me that I am not out in left field! Keep preaching the truth and God bless you brother!

  8. I happened to come across your article through a friend. I too grew up in the church and was fed many of the same lies through teaching or actions. I am glad to see someone expressing it so well in their words. About 5 years ago…God told me that my foundation had many cracks in it and he was going to tear it out and replace it with love. Since then he has shown me many of these same things you have found. And since that time…I have found my life radically changed since these lies were shown to me and my mind was truly renewed to His truths. Kudos to you for speaking it out. Many blessings to you.

    • Thanks so much for sharing Tiki! So glad that God has shown us these cracks and I’m sure there are a few more we are all realising as time goes on :) What a blessing it is to just be on the journey of the renewal of the mind which brings total transformation!

      Much love to you and blessings on your journey!

  9. Hi Phil

    I’d love to translate this article into German and also the attached articles you mention in each section. Once done, I would love to use them on Corrie’s and my German version of our blog. Can I ask for your permission to do so, please?

    Thank you.

    • Hi Tom – that would be great, I actually have a German translation of the article on the Law that I’m planning on uploading as a booklet in the next week or so. Please feel free to translate articles as you like. All I ask is that you let your readers know that they were originally written by myself and include a link to this website.

      Thanks so much :)

      • Also please do let me know once you’ve done so as I know lots of German speaking churches I travel to would love to have more resources on what I’m teaching :)

  10. I enjoyed the article, I think so many times people read articles like this and think it doesn’t matter how you live, because God’s love conquers all. But I believe that because of God’s grace we have the capacity to live in obedience and Holy lives. I think you posted this once before, but not sure.

    God delights in our obedience. Pray and obey because God has given you the capacity to do both and His grace does not give you permission to live in the flesh, but gives you the power to live in the Spirit.

    Thank you for sharing.

    • Totally agree Robert, it’s not the grace of God if it hasn’t completely transformed who you are. Grace changes us from the inside out and leaves us never the same again! :)

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

  11. Great stuff, Phil! For the past year, I’ve been picking apart each one of those lies in my own life. It’s really amazing how easy it is to believe those lies.

    Regarding the sovereignty of God, I just recently came across this scripture that nailed it for me: “The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord ’s; But the earth He has given to the children of men.” (Psalms 115:16 NKJV)

    • Thanks Russ – yes that’s an incredible passage – I think I referenced that in my suffering article. Thanks so much for sharing it.

  12. The gradual undoing of these lies in my life has freed me no end, to love and be loved.

    I say gradual, because often a new circumstance will reveal that I am still holding on to the .

    Bless you.

    • Ah, so painfully true isn’t it! There isn’t a day that goes by where I don’t realise that somewhere I am not believing in the goodness of God or who I am in Christ! So excited about the journey and that the journey is just as important as the destination!

      Love you Maria! Have a great day!

  13. I fully identify with all those lies and could add quite a few more… Can’t believe we were so veiled and in darkness about the Truth. Thank you so much Phil, I enjoy your posts! So glad the Lord made me free and now I can look back at those lies and even laugh about it; at least some were quite hilarious! There is so much more in Love and Grace and unhindered relationship with our Creator, than in attempting to live by empty rules and ridiculous regulations.. My life has changed in so many ways since then. May the Lord bless you!
    Thea

    • So blessed to hear that Thea – it’s always amazing to me the power of grace and freedom to change a persons life. I know it but it still surprises me every time I see it! Especially in my own life! haha

  14. This is so good Phil, all points we have been pondering at the Barn, and totally agree with you, Bless you!

    • Thanks Charlie, I was just talking to your wonderful wife on FB the other day, I think I’ll hopefully see you guys again in October :)

  15. Enjoyed this article very much.

    Could you address the fallacy that still persists in many Christian groups that contend we’re losing our salvation every time we sin?

    Also the notion that you’re not born again unless you’re water baptized?

    I’ve even heard ministers declare that “further evidence” of salvation is the manifestation of spiritual gifts such as tongues and prophecy.

    These ideas have caused so much confusion and disappointment among people I have known.

    Best regards,

    Gene, retired D.Min.

    • Ah yeah those are biggies, maybe I need another article “8 other lies many Christians believe!” haha

      Maybe watch this space!

      Bless you Gene, thanks for the encouragement – so blessed to hear you enjoyed the article.

  16. Awesome article and full of truth brother. I fully agree with this as I have walked through each of these lies and that’s exactly what they are lies taught as truth. Thanks so much for writing.

    • Thanks Jason – I appreciate you so much, you are such a source of relentless encouragement! A true Barnabus!

  17. Terrible article and eternally dangerous to the soul. I know it’s exciting and itches the ears of all to tell them the are not sinners but scripture clearly refutes your confusion. You have confused justification and sanctification and the proper work of God in the world. Seriously, teaching a new and divergent doctrine to that of the Apostles is not the work of the Holy Spirit but another spirit that deceives and you must refrain for your own sake and the sake of his hearers.

    • Hi Matt, Sorry to hear you didn’t like it :)

      I assure you I have no idea to itch ears (I hate having an itch) rather to simply speak to those who the Lord has put in a place to hear what He’s told me.

      I personally believe I have a good grasp on both “justification and sanctification and the proper work of God”, but I’m happy to agree to disagree which I would imagine would be the best we could hope for just now.

      If you would like to look at the articles I linked they all go into these topics a lot more in-depth. You have to understand that the nature of this article is just to peak interest and have people read into the articles of those points they disagree with :)

      Much love my brother! Hope you have an incredible weekend!

      • Hi! I’ve been reading several of you articles and have completely agree with them, as they are things the Lord has been revealing to me. I’ve really struggled with believing them, even though that is what He revealed to me, because of so many people who so claim it is “wrong”. The way you respond to people is incredible and filled with so much love, grace, and patience (like the above). To me that speaks volumes of your character and your relationship with Christ. Thank you, I think you just found a new reader.

        In regards to Lie #7, My husband and I just recently became “missionaries” and I hate when people treat me us if what I’m doing is more “holy”, it isn’t fair, to say the nurse who is caring, loving and praying for their patients day in and day out .
        “we are all called and have the opportunity to represent Christ and enjoy Christ right were we are!” This is pretty much what we stress to people on a daily basis, it doesn’t matter where you are or what you are doing as long as you are representing Christ.

        sorry for the ramble, just wanted to say Thank you! I found you from the “3 things christians should stop saying” article.

        -Breanne

        • Thanks so much Breanne! I totally agree with your thoughts on #7… I totally value you and your husband’s move to be missionaries and I think it’s an incredible thing to do and truly amazing! I just wish, with you, that we had as many people respecting nurses, lawyers, teachers, football players and mayors doing all they do for the glory of God!

          Thanks for sharing my friend! Nice to meet you – feel free to connect with me on FB or Twitter and lets stay in touch! :)

  18. hi Phil….greetings from India.
    loved your article.. great teachings brother. i live in Delhi, North India. Ever thought of opening a Church/Ministry Centre of yours in India? People here need to be taught the truth and freedom in Christ. In case God leads you in this direction please let me know.
    We are a family of born again believers from Delhi, India. We have a weekly home fellowship and we have a burden to save our unsaved brethren who are trapped in the web of so many religions.
    To know more about us you can google ” Testimony of Parminder Singh Puri” and some links wd show up.
    God bless you brother.

    • Hi my friend,

      I would actually love to come to India and have had quite a few invites. I’m waiting on the right timing (my schedule is pretty packed) and also for God to open a few specific doors for that to happen!

      It would be so wonderful to connect when I do make it out and hear more about what God is doing in and through you there in Delhi!

      Shoot me an email sometime through the contact page :)

  19. Very good reading….A friend sent me your blog. How refreshing it is to know one of the greatest Words ever spoken in history….”It Is Finished”. Blessings

    • Truly a powerful statement to remind ourselves of every moment of every day!

      Bless you my friend! Glad to meet you, please do stay in touch through FB/Twitter/Email :)

  20. All I can say is I hope God forgives you for spreading lies against Him and His word. Your article is extremely dangerous and biblicaly false.

    • I’m sure he will my friend – He’s ever so forgiving :)

      Sorry to hear we disagree. If you’d like to read the articles linked to the points you disagree with I’d be happy to talk with you about them.

  21. Excellent read!
    Three main things I’ve seen recently…
    1) The wrath of God was NOT in fact poured out on Jesus on the cross. He didn’t take OUR place & our *sin* didn’t put Him on the cross.
    I can substantiate this… but there is NO scripture reference for this any place I’ve looked. IF it is said, it should not be said with the conviction of it literally being in the bible… at best stated as a postulation.

    2) Sin isn’t something we do… It is something we serve.
    Ex. “He that knew no sin became sin…:” How exactly could Jesus “miss the mark”? Jesus became the Master in our lives OVER the sin master. Therefore when He became “sin” He became the Lord/Master over EVERYTHING in our lives that once held us captive via disobedience.

    3) We can’t be holy…
    Jesus saved us granted… If you pull a child from the path of a speeding car, the child doesn’t learn ANYTHING. So Jesus being our saviour is relevant but Jesus as Master or teacher is white noise if we don’t understand WHAT He taught us.
    In short… Jesus taught us obedience to the Father. IF Jesus was holy, why was He holy? Obedience to the will of a Holy Father.
    Sacrifice makes us right with God, obedience keeps us right with God.
    Obedience to His will EQUALS holiness. So you are only holy or unholy by choosing this day whom you will serve.
    I just can’t get past how most of the lies I’ve heard from well intentioned people lead us into a life that literally denies Jesus before men. Jesus is mighty to save, but if we are still in “sin” that says to me that sin is at least as powerful as Jesus. And to that I say, “FAIL”!

    • Thanks for sharing Gregory,

      I think that first point you share is a topic the church is really going to waken up to in the coming years. The atonement needs addressed severely as what we have in the western church regarding penal substitution paints such a crazy picture of both God and Jesus as well as some really whacky thoughts on sin and wrath.

      Bless you my friend!

  22. Thanks for posting this Phil. As a pastor’s kid I have had to face all of these lies in the church. Now in my thirties with children of my own, I am believing and praying that my children will not be held captive by these lies in their generation. I must admit that I struggle with a lot of impatience with my parent’s generation. Some things are so obviously wrong to me but I also don’t believe that just “leaving church” as many have in my area, with solve anything. I think it’s people like us that need to stay in church, be faithful, pray, address things appropriately and under proper authority with respect in order to bring change for the next generation.

    • Hey! PK’s unite! I’m a pastor’s kid too… luckily my parents were so incredible and did so much to help me see the goodness of God but without a doubt I am really unlearning a lot of weird stuff that managed to get in there despite their best efforts! haha

      I totally agree the answer is not to reject the church and run away from these people who are under this system of belief but to extend to them grace and love, embracing them where they are and helping them to take the same journey as we are now on :)

      Love to you and your family Angela! I bless you guys on the journey and all you are doing in your local church!

  23. Great stuff, Phil. What I really admire is your handling of disagreement. Funny, isn’t it, we can preach an angry gospel about an angry god and catch less flack than when we preach that He is truly good! Be blessed!

    • Thanks Mark,

      I’m not sure I do amazing all the time with those who disagree but it’s definitely easier and easier the less I try haha

      I think ultimately the proof is in the pudding, those who aren’t producing the fruit of Christ invalidate their comments by the way they comment most of the time :) I just focus on loving people where they are as best I can :)

      Glad you liked the post and thanks for taking the time to encourage me :)

  24. Thank you very much sir for pointing these out, even at the risk of disapproval. God bless you for being a Berean. May God help me. I pray God continually strengthens you and continually gives you the grace in Jesus’ name. I trust He will. We need to be careful concerning the scripture and I pray God grants us the wisdom we need in Jesus’ name. 1 John made it clear that one who is born again does not practice sinning, 1 John 3:9. We are not sinners. It is not our nature. Sinner sins because he is a sinner. We are righteous and bear that fruit because it is a nature giving to those who have believed in Jesus, who have believed in what He has done. We are saved by God to be the temple of His Spirit. We are His Children. The christian is free because the son of Man, namely Jesus the Christ, Son of God, has set Him free. And concerning money. The bible has made it clear that it is the LOVE of money that is the root of all KINDS of evil, 1 Timothy 6:10 Loving money (more than God) is sinful because it means one loves the material and hence the means of acquiring the material more than they love God. May God help all of us: both the saved and the lost in Jesus’ name, Amen. God bless you once more sir.

  25. I read and have to respectfully submit that I balked upon reading the first lie. The Gospel of Luke 18 describes two men standing in the temple. One was justified, one was not. The man who beat his breast and prayed “God have mercy on me, a sinner,” was the only man acceptable to God. The other was not. Once we realize sin is an open act of rebellion against God’s commandments, we know we are sinners. There is nothing wrong with knowing we are sinners. Though we are to continually strive for holiness, as scripture says to be holy as He is holy, we will stumble into sin, and if that happens, a true Christian is filled with deep remorse. As scripture says, ‘a contrite heart, o God, you will not spurn.’ PRIDE, PRIDE, PRIDE, is what prevents Christians from wanting to accept the fact they are sinners. PRIDE is the Christian’s final battle!! We have to be like little children, and children have no pride. All have fallen short. We strive, we falter, we cry, we stumble, we carry our cross, onward we go. Does our life please Jesus, or does it please Satan? Whom do we align our lives with, the holy and obedient one Jesus, or the prideful and rebellious one? Jesus is coming to render the reward due to each and every one of us. Obedience will be rewarded. don’t let Satan steal your rewards!!

    • Hi Hyster,

      I think that’s a pretty weak scripture to base your example on… that person was not saved. We all acknowledge that we WERE sinners, I’m just saying that Jesus has done a very real work in our lives and completely changed that by His work on the cross.

      I’d encourage you to read the article attached to the lie so that you can follow my simple scriptural argument. I guarantee I’m not using a single scripture out of context and that the Bible screams this message that we are righteous in Christ and no longer sinners by the power of His blood!

      As for pride. Again, which suggests more pride. The thought that it is ONLY by Jesus’s blood that I am righteous, or that Jesus’ blood couldn’t change me from being a sinner, my sinfulness is much bigger than that :)

      Just a thought.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts though, you won’t have any problems finding people who agree with your interpretation of scripture… most of evangelical Christianity do these days… I’m just saying don’t expect to find backup in the scriptures unless you are very willing to use them out of context.

      I’d love to hear what you think of my Romans 7 article as I said.

      • I appreciate your point, however I think this is so much semantics. First, what I mean by “sinner” in this case is not an unredeemed person but a person who sins on a regular basis. Second, I think you are on weak ground when you suggest the tax collector was not saved. Jesus makes no such claim in the text. That is an inference you have made. What is the basis of your inference? That he goes to his house justified (implying that the point of salvation came after the prayer)? That is merely a point of comparison between him and the Pharisee. Perhaps you suggest he wasn’t saved because Christ had not died yet? Not a strong argument, either.

        • Hi Darryl,

          Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

          As far as your first point goes you are more than entitled to define sinner however you like. I personally do not like to identify anyone by their actions but rather with what Jesus calls them. But as I said, you are free to define sinner however you like.

          As to your second point, Jesus doesn’t have to claim that anyone was saved in the passage. Because nobody was saved in the passage. It was before his blood was shed, before the new covenant was enacted, and therefore everyone was a sinner. That is solely the point I am making. I am simply saying that as Christians we probably shouldn’t try to emulate an old covenant relationship with God now we are in a new covenant relationship with God.

          Hope that helps you understand where I’m coming from, thanks again for sharing your thoughts.

    • Hello Colleagues, I believe Phil is not talking about how sometimes we fall in sin and confess but he is talking about the guilt some Christians carry throughout there lives. Some people confess sin and never believe God forgave so they keep confessing and i believe that is what Phyl is addressing. Sometimes we error and we make amends confessing and seeking for his forgiveness and he does forgive.

      • Thanks for this Noah.

        I think at the end of the day it’s most important we understand what confession means!
        Many people think confession is to simply list our faults and failings… repeating a laundry-list of sins to somehow make God feel better.
        Biblical confession has nothing to do with listing sins. The word in the Greek which we translate as “confession” means “to say the same thing” so when we confess our sins to God we say the same thing as God about our sins.
        Confession is not just listing our sins, but rather declaring what God has done about our sins! Namely forgiving us of them and removing them and their effects from us by the blood of Jesus!
        That is true biblical confession! And that is what I’m talking about when I talk about confession!

  26. Good on ya, chuck! (that’s Yorkshire-ese) – keep bashing on. The mis-apprehensions we’ve lived with all our lives don’t fall away easily, especially when the management of the church structures we love keep supporting them! My little grand-daughter is neither humble nor proud – she just trusts me. I’ve finally started to believe in that way in my heavenly dad and it’s like breathing fresh air for the first time in my life!
    BTW – was fab to have you stay with us – you’re welcome anytime!!

    • Love you Irvin! Thanks for the encouragement – that childlike faith and walk is such a great picture of what it can be for us with our Father.

      How was the bird watching trip?

  27. I would add another lie: “You must be profitable for the kingdom” or any language that implies an EMPLOYER/EMPLOYEE relationship between you and God. (Observation is not original with me).

    If I have to be profitable for the kingdom–what happens when I’m not profitable? I am fired! Isn’t that what happens in business? Ouch! Not exactly the picture I see of God in text!

    • Haha – yes… because ultimately we are just paying God back right?

      That’s a good lie Darryl! Something that so subtly can infiltrate our day to day lives!

  28. If you are not a sinner, then what do you do when you sin? When you are disrespectful to your husband, impatient with your children, struggling with bitterness. I guess that in my mind, if you are “no longer a sinner”, you do not have to take responsibility for these things and ask forgiveness from the people you sin against? Do these things just no longer count because you are not a sinner? How do you explain that?

    • Hi Angie, I really recommend you read the article that’s attached to that lie along with lots of other articles on this site that talk about that topic.

      If a sinner does something good does that make them righteous?

      Why then does a righteous person doing something sinful make them a sinner?

      We have to remember that neither are about actions but rather about our identity. We ARE righteous in Christ whether or not we sin. And the degree we believe that is the degree to which we will stop seeing sin in our lives :)

      Bless you my friend. Thanks for asking the questions. The articles on this site should really help you see where I’m coming from, although I can’t guarantee you’ll like them or agree :)

  29. I went back and read your article, but did not find any answers to my original question. “What do you do when you sin against someone?” It sounds like you are saying that a believer no longer sins. So, I want to ask you. Do you ever sin against your wife? Do you ever ask her to forgive you? If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that you no longer sin. Is that what you are saying?

    • Hi Angie, you can ask my wife and she’ll be happy to testify that I definitely drop the ball sometimes. And of course I say sorry, although I find the forgiveness was already there long before I ask for it most of the times (as we both grow in who we are that’s just to be expected…after all He doesn’t forgive us when we ask for it, He forgave us thousands of years before we were born :) )

      You can also ask those in my life how often I sin compared to when I thought I was a sinner too… you will find the answer to be a tiny fraction of the amount. What we believe about ourselves will bear fruit. To the degree you believe you are righteous you will produce righteousness. If you are producing sin, you still on some level believe you are a sinner.

      This will help answer your question more directly it deals with the exact question you have asked in more detail – http://phildrysdale.com/2012/02/so-your-saying-its-impossible-to-sin/

  30. Phil,

    Just wanted to say thanks for your heart and your teaching. Honestly, I’ve been really blessed by all of it since I came across your name and website a few months ago. I appreciate the simple language that you use to teach life-changing truths. Be blessed brother!

  31. Thank you for this post! I agree 100% with it. I did not grow up in church my whole life but lived in Texas which is a highly churched state. I became a Christian at 18 (three years ago) and although a lot of people meant well, they definitely spread a lot of these lies you mentioned! It’s so easy to be deceived & easy to claim our way of thinking is right because its our wisdom or someone with a doctorate decree taught it to us, so it must be right, right? I experienced a lot of hurt from the church as I stepped away from those lies and started to embrace the wisdom God was revealing to me. Makes me so happy there are others speaking out on subjects like these. It’s my prayer that the lies of the enemy and the religious spirit in the Church today would be broken and the Body of Christ would be awakened to His Truth and Spirit! Thank you for sharing!

  32. Phil,
    So glad I saw this article on one of my friends Facebook feeds. I really appreciated what you had to say. I think we are both definitely on the same frequency. Over the last couple of years God has done a tremendous job of addressing some of those same lies I’ve believed for years and rewiring my heart to be able to experience him fully. I think when we finally realize how profoundly are heavenly father loves us it’s completely transformational. Satan loves for us to believe the lie that we serve a God that is either ambivalent or angry at us. This lie causes us to shut down emotionally and not pursue God with our whole heart. Although I’ve been a Christian for over 30 years –In my case It took a divorce and lots of associated trauma for me to finally be able to see God’s True heart for me and it’s changed my life completely. We serve a heavenly father that passionately pursues us and who loves us profoundly. Finally understanding that truth in the depth of my heart has completely changed my paradigm. Thanks for sharing and I really appreciated reading this article. I post a blog specifically focused on ministering to those people that have gone through the trauma of losing a spouse. Feel free to check it out.
    In Christ,
    Brian Wignall -indianapolis
    http://www.brianwignall.blogspot.com.

    • Thanks Brian – glad you liked the article and really delighted that it blessed you.

      Appreciate all you are doing in your ministry! Thanks for being a part of helping people connect with their good Father and find freedom in Christ!

  33. Dear Mr. Drysdale:

    Your article is excellent.

    Many ministers preach works-righteousness. It is so easy to do yet so wrong.

    Many ministers preach that the Lord giveth and taketh away, or maketh sick. In fact there is a worship song with these lyrics.

    “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of Lights with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.” James 1:17

    We must never forget this.

    The Power of the Holy Spirit is to fill us and enable us to execute His Will.

    But we are to do so with Confidence, Wisdom, Love and Joy!

    And everything we do and say should bespeak the Personality and Presence of Jesus and His Peace.

    Praise the Lord for your wonderful witness of Jesus’ Righteousness which we Christians have in full when we are washed in His Blood!

    Sincerely yours,
    Caleb Boone.

  34. Hi Phil,
    I admire you willingness to step into the fray , demolish strongholds & arguments that set themselves against the knowledge of God and take the hits for doing so . Christ is our wisdom . God demonstrates His justice towards us by making the sinner righteous . Sinner to saint by God’s doing . The Cross has changed everything , to behold all things as new is the mind of Christ . We are longer in the first adam but last Adam . We source our true identity now not from first adam but Adam . We are a new creation in Christ , the old has gone new has come , we now no longer view anyone after the flesh , all this is of God . The transformation in our lives as believers is not from sinner to saint , but from glory unto ever increasing glory . The starting point for assessing our status is glory , worse to better , bad to good , we fell from glory and have been re-glorified in Christ . Paul called the Corinthians holy ones not because he had rose coloured glasses but because he had the mind of Christ and knew that their behaviour did not change their status in Christ . Birth not behaviour defines our true identity . Those who are born of God who live in their new birth nature , true identity will not continue in sin , the new nature has no propensity towards sin and is the real you .

  35. Hi Phil. I read this article quite a while ago and in re-reading it and the additional comments I’ve be astonished at how some people respond to the idea that we as born-again are no longer sinners. I can’t help but wonder why they would want to hang on to the old identity. This desire to live an old covenant relationship vexes me. It seems to me that living on the wrong side of the cross dishonors Jesus, devalues the atonement and diminishes the new man.

  36. Hi Phil. I read this article quite a while ago and in re-reading it and the additional comments I’m astonished at how some people respond to the idea that we as born-again are no longer sinners. I can’t help but wonder why they would want to hang on to the old identity. This desire to live an old covenant relationship vexes me. It seems to me that living on the wrong side of the cross dishonors Jesus, devalues the atonement and diminishes the new man.

  37. Hmm. I see this stuff every where. Ie you don’t need to confess your sins. The whole unbalance between Saint and sinner etc. I don’t want to get into an argument but read acts ch ch8 v 13-23. This is where Simon became a believer v 13. Then wanted to purchase the power of the Holy Spirit Now look at Peters answer in verse 21. I don’t think the apostles agree with your understanding of Saint and sinner or forgiveness of sins.

    I know that you are trying to honour God and His word in a way you believe to be true and a lot of what you say is true, but this is a very dangerous teaching bro. It needs to be more balanced. Sorry

    • Thanks for sharing your thoughts Chris… I have no problems with the verse you quote and feel it fits just fine with where I’m coming from but like you, I have no desire to get into an argument :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

  38. Hey Phil. Thanks for the 8 Lies. We will use it as a discussion in our homegroup. The 2nd lie will raise the question: What did Paul mean when he said “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” if we are not to work on being holy? Aren’t they the same thing?

    • Hi Steve,

      Great question – one that highlights the importance of reading the scripture in context.

      Phil 2:12 – “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling”
      Phil 2:13 – “For do you not know that it is GOD who works in you”

      He’s saying if you are working out your salvation, you should be fearful and trembling because you are not in the new covenant but rather have put yourself back under the old covenant. No longer living in grace but in the law. That job is God’s… hope that helps Steve :)

  39. Scripture teaches God is in control of all things and sustains all things, God controls mans heart, mind, footsteps and tongue, He does as he pleases.

    Colossians 1:16-17 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

    Romans 9:19-21 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?

    Psalm 115:3 Our God is in the heavens;
    he does all that he pleases.

    Proverbs 20:24 A man’s steps are from the Lord;
    how then can man understand his way?

    Jeremiah 10:23 I know, O Lord, that the way of man is not in himself,
    that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.

    Proverbs 21:1 The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord;
    he turns it wherever he will.

    Proverbs 16:1 The plans of the heart belong to man,
    but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.

    Proverbs 16:9 The heart of man plans his way,
    but the Lord establishes his steps.

    Lamentations 3:37-38 Who has spoken and it came to pass,
    unless the Lord has commanded it?
    Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
    that good and bad come?

    Isaiah 14:26-27 This is the purpose that is purposed
    concerning the whole earth,
    and this is the hand that is stretched out
    over all the nations.
    For the Lord of hosts has purposed,
    and who will annul it?
    His hand is stretched out,
    and who will turn it back?

    This is sufficient to say God is indeed in control of all things. Since God is in control of man this should conclude that it is God who gives knowledge to humans mind and it is God who sustains this knowledge within the humans mind. Knowledge is possible only because God has chosen to reveal Himself to man. Such knowledge is not received from or discovered by either sensation or ratiocination. All knowledge is revelational and propositional by nature, and its source is God. All alternatives are unbiblical and are failures.

    Also read http://protestantreformed.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/author-of-sin/

    • I hear what you are saying Chris – the problem with this perspective is that there are just as many scriptures that say the exact opposite.

      At the end of the day I guess the simple argument against the perspective you are putting across is that it can only ultimately lead to one conclusion… God makes people sin. Not only that but God makes people not choose salvation. God makes people to go to hell… etc.

      I believe God is over all things, I believe He has a plan for all of our lives and that His ultimate purposes will come about – but I just don’t believe that He is micromanaging every detail that He has specifically given into the hands of man.

  40. These points are so well made Phil. It’s so good to see them being spelled out for the world.
    My husband and I have just been discussing whether they are actually ‘lies’ or really ‘myths’. We’ve concluded that a lie would have to be thought about and deliberately put out there to deceive . A myth is just something that was there – a false notion that has been handed down and something that we never thought to question.
    But that leads us to the obvious conclusion that Christians seem to be a most gullible and UNthinking lot in general. Thanks for your part in addressing that problem! There seems to be a worldwide work of the Spirit in reviving the art of thinking amongst Jesus-believers (repentance – renewing of the mind), and strangely enough, it leads many of us out of the institution into a wonderful place of freedom, to actually use the gift of our own intelligence to discover HIM!
    Blessings!

    • That’s a great observation about lies vs myths Bron maybe I’ll use myths from now on. :)

      It’s very true as well that we (who are called to repentance) are often the ones who are least willing to actually repent – at least in it’s proper meaning i.e changing our minds!

      Thanks for sharing.

  41. Phil,
    It’s a blessing anytime a ministry of any type determines to emphasize the “beings” over the “doings.” This tension has been in the church from the outset. What remains always the same is that we keep His commandments because we love Him. In other words, we know that when we were dead in our trespasses and sins, we were the children of disobedience “by nature.” However, now since we have been given life incorruptible; when we grieve the Holy Spirit, we are immediately convicted and beg His pardon and repent of it “by nature”- that is reflexively. That is the difference. There is no greater objective than to know God and to know God is to love Him and to love Him is to keep His commandments. Holiness comes from relationship; it does not build relationship. Holiness is a state of being that the old-timers of the 19th Century Holiness Movement came to understand, both on the Wesleyan and on Keswick end of a spectrum within Christianity that was dedicated to walking in the spirit as opposed to walking in the flesh. Our faith is in a person who lives in us as us. “HE HAS RAISED US UP TOGETHER AND HAS MADE US TO SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST.” A great truth that is neglected is the revelation that the Apostle Paul was given that it is possible to be a carnal Christian and many of us are. This is why he bowed his knees before God and prayed for the believers in Ephesus and for all the faithful in Christ Jesus (us) that we might be strengthened by the might of the Holy Spirit in our inner man according to the riches of His glory that Christ might dwell in our hearts by faith and that being rooted and grounded in love we may be able to comprehend with all of the saints what is the breadth and length and depth and height and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge that we might be filled with all of the FULLNESS of God according to that power that works in us. It is one of the most beautiful prayers recorded in the NT because it anticipates a deficiency that can only be remedied by the one who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think.

  42. Well said. Yet there are so much more that can be added to the list. One that gets me every time (and I may be wrong) is that the 10 Commandments teaches us not to kill, yet we feel justified in condemning others on their cultural believes etc.

  43. I am so glad that you included that God does nor make us sick to teach us a lesson. I was hit head on 13 years ago and my firewall pushed in and my knees went through the dash. After a year of physical therapy, I was able to walk short distances without a cane or walker on good days, on bad days I could only shuffle my feet a few inches at a time, if any. I was 34 and needed 2 total knee replacements. I had a family to provide for, so disability wasn’t a financial option, but those surgeries needed to wait until I was at least 55 because there wasn’t enough bone for all of the additional surgeries after that point. The bone, muscle, and nerve damage it excruciating and I often wake up screaming out as the bones shift even in my sleep (all cartilage was removed because it exploded on impact.) My faith is the only thing that has gotten me through these years.

    I can’t tell you all of the rude comments that I have heard over the years from all of those “well meaning Christians” that felt they needed to spread God’s word. I have been told it was God punishing me and trying to set me on the right path, that it will be OK because God doesn’t give us more than we can handle (I just needed to toughen up), it was meant to be because God knows what we needed in our lives and when we need it, if my faith was stronger God would heal me, I wasn’t living right or he would have spared me the pain, that I needed to give God more if I expected God’s healing hands to help me – more tithe!!! Then there were the ones that would lecture me on KARMA!

    I had 1 TKR several months ago and the motor blew on my car. To get back home, I had to walk 4 blocks from the shop to the bus line on city a street with no businesses, weeks after my surgery with my wheeled walker! Every 20 feet I had to stop and sit. My face and neckline of shirt was soaked in tears. After 3 blocks, there was a church. I couldn’t make it any further. As I neared, a truck almost hit me, then parked on the curb in front of the church. I kept moving forward as he got out, holding his Bible and he looked me straight in eyes as I started to say “Help.” and he talked over me and said, “God is great, ain’t He?” He rushed pass and made a b-line for the front door. He never even looked back. It took me almost 2 hrs to get to that bus stop, but I made it!

    Over these years, my faith has been tested, but it remained. My faith in humanity has been shattered. Please keep sharing your message with fellow Christians. They need to know how much their words hurt. Think of all of the disabled that get lost in these messages and let the depression swallow them, or even make them feel suicidal.

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