If I'm Not A Sinner, Why Do I Still Sin?

#017: If I’m Not A Sinner, Why Do I Still Sin? [Podcast]

This week I want to talk about sin… I don’t typically like to talk about sin. I think we spend more than enough time doing that usually in the church. It’s always better to focus on Christ than to focus on our sin!

But we can’t deny that for most of us, myself most definitely included, sin is something we continue to see rear it’s ugly head in our lives at times.

We all occasionally do things that aren’t healthy, they aren’t good choices, they are damaging to ourselves and others around us.

So why if we are free from sin as Christians do we find ourselves struggling with sin so much?

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If I’m Not A Sinner, Why Do I Still Sin?

In this week’s podcast we discuss

1) Why sin is not primarily about what you do.
2) What sin is primarily about
3) How we can still choose to sin as Christians
4) Why God hasn’t removed our ability to sin as Christians
5) And lots, lots more…

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Discussion

I’d love to hear your thoughts, insights and any questions you may have in the comments section below – thanks for sharing!

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  1. LORD HELP MY UNBELIEF TO BRING FORTH FRUIT. THANK YOU PHIL THIS MESSAGE LITTERALLY KNOCKED A chip OFF SHOULDER. Transformation. Sometimes I’m like will I ever get it right? That’s the wrong question to ask myself. HE got it Right for me.

  2. I thank God for any man that has committed his life to teach and live off the gospel. I love the word of God so much, but either do not have the faith and/or have not felt led to earn a living off the word. I’d love to hear more about your story one day.

    Ok, I listened to the “why do I still sin” podcast and there was some good meat to chew on. I do have a few different perspectives to mention that can hopefully spur you to deliver a follow-up to further address. #1 Adam’s original sin… My studies suggest that Adam’s eating of the forbidden fruit was not a sin. The bible says through one man’s disobedience, sin entered the world. Disobedience is a sin under the law of Moses, but Adam was not under the law of Moses. Adam’s first sin was a fall from grace. When Adam & Eve perceived their nakedness and became afraid, the 1st occurrence of sin was observed. Being afraid reflects the spirit of fear. Being afraid of God is to fall from grace.

    The term “sin” means to miss the mark. There are two types of sins, just as their are two types of righteousness. Breaking the law of Moses is a sin under the law. Failing to believe in God for salvation is a sin under the covenant of Grace. Adam sinned uner the latter, because the former had not yet been given.

    Another point… the term “nakedness” reflects the human attribute of being something less than God. We were created with faulty thinking, because only God can be all knowing. Said another way, mankind will always have deception (at least in our fleshly bodies), because this is how God created us. But when sin came into the world, we began to perceive our naked condition in the light of God, which exposed every little thing that was not like him. For this reason, God sent His Son to die, because LOVE COVERS A MULTITUDE OF SINS (NAKEDNESS). Reread the Genesis account and study the concept of nakedness. We must be covered by God’s grace, else we will have a fearful expectation of God’s punishment whenever our nakedness is exposed. Yes, the devil is the father of accusation, but where sin abounds, grace abounds much more!

    Phil – Believers don’t sin, because we are no longer under the law. Our walk before God must improve, but this sin is not the correct word to describe. When the word of God is sown in our hearts, there will be 100 fold, 60 fold and 30 fold manifestation. What is the difference between 100, 60 and 30? Sin? No. 30 is not perfect, but it is not sin. As we grow in the knowledge of God, we will manifest a greater amount of glory. Only Jesus can manifest the full glory of the Father, because this is how we were created. To fall short in our behaviour or thinking is only a sin under the law. There is only one way to fall short of the new covenant of grace, and that is to fail the litmus test of John 3:16. No believer can sin under the new covenant. We are fully clean, only our feet needs to be washed. Go and learn the story of the footwashing…

    • Thanks for sharing Karl – I think there is a huge amount of confusion over what sin is as you say… Although I’m really trying to work with people who are using sin in the sense of what we do rather than what we believe. Sin is still sin, God just doesn’t hold it against us.

      For us to say we can’t sin or don’t sin is in one sense true but in another sense a really foolish mistake. We don’t want to be blind to the many ways we still are in the process of discovering who we truly are in Christ and learning to walk in that. When we ignore “sin” we choose to remain blind to the truth of who we are.

      Again, I totally appreciate what you are saying and agree with you strongly in part but I think we need to help people on their journey and not ourselves be blind to the fact that while we are perfect, holy and righteous – we don’t always act like it.

      • Brother Phil – we are certainly on the same page when it comes to the believers need to grow in God. My approach is to leverage scripture to communicate this aspect of our walk, but not to select my own words. Bible says the works of the slain lamb was intended to permanently remove our consciousness of sins. God says he will remember my sins no more. How can believers embrace this truth if we remind them that they are still sinning? An alternate way to make the same point is to talk about spiritual growth. Christ is the vine and we are the branch. Growth deals with pruning and bearing more fruit, but sin is not apart of that explanation. Another metaphor is the concept of being born again. Children need to grow and mature and they do it with loving parents.that teach. They go from drinking milk to eating meat. Again, God does not use sin to explain this concept. I believe there is a reason that God chooses some weird instead of others. This is what we’re discussing.

        There is another bible word called trespasses, which I believe is more appropriate to describe our walk before God. The for washing example of Jesus reveals that we are totally clean ( from sin), but our feet (walk) still needs to be washed.

  3. 1st John 3:4-8

    4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

    7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 HE WHO SINS IS OF THE DEVIL, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

    The apostle John teaches that no believer can sin, because sin is the transgression of the law. Anyone that says a believer can still sin, is teaching that Christ has not taken away the law, Such a teaching denies the power of the cross to destroy the works of the devil.

    Brother Phil – I fully understand the need for believers to grow and mature, but we do not sin. To practice righteousness, is to think and act like Jesus is our rightheousness (apart from our works). Anybody that understands this point, will be not be confused, nor deceived by the devil into thinking they are a sinner.

    • That’s one way to look at it Karl – although the Apostle John also states that believers can sin and if they do they are to be thankful they have Jesus to forgive them (1 John 2:1)

      Not to mention that countless times throughout the NT in Paul’s, James’ and John’s writings it talks of us being aware of our conduct and the effect it can have on our lives and others. Not only that but it’s frequently called sin.

      I don’t really care overly about splitting hairs over this though – and I’m sure you have better things to do with your time as well :)

      Thanks so much for sharing Karl, I appreciate your input and I’m sure others will find it very interesting.

  4. Actually Phil, I have nothing better to do with my time than seek a deeper understanding of God’s word, because God is His word. I understand others don’t feel the same as me, so I have no problem with such a bull dog type tenacity pursuing truth. Why? Because I don’t want to be deceived in any way, so I keep seeking and pushing, putting a demand on the Father to give me more and more Truth (He is the Truth)

    That said, I do realize that knowledge puffs up, so it is good not to push knowledge, but to walk in love. Yes, the kingdom of God is not about knowledge, but is a manifestation of love. What I really want to do though is challenge my own thoughts about God, as well as yours. If our thoughts about God never changes, then we cease to grow in the knowledge of Him. I understand God is much bigger than what I know today. Do you also want to be pushed or are you happy with what God only shows you in private? Iron sharpens iron my brother. I listen to your messages for hopes of being sharpened, but reading and meditating in the word is what I love to do…

    Concerning 1st John 1:2, John says that he is writing that they sin not, which means “I am writing that you will be saved such that you no longer sin. But if you still sin, then God will save you through the finished works of Jesus Christ”. This point is very consistent with 1st John 3:9. And if you think there are other verses that speak to a believer sinning, I’d be very interested in hearing about them. I don’t want to be deceived, but want truth. If you have truth, then I will put a great demand on you to give me everything God has shown you. If and when this becomes too much, I will move on.Yes, I realize you are not God, thus you are not my source.

  5. hi phil. Love ur stuff. I think God has put me on a similar journey to you. Could you perhaps care to share your view on the flesh and temptation with regards to this topic? Will really appreciate it. Tx

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